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The SCUMM Bar is a rip-off 10 Sep, 2019 / 16 comments

The theme, that is, not the honorable web site.

@Nicozilla_FR points us to a Reddit thread, where the SCUMM Bar theme's origins are revealed . . .

So now I guess we have a name: "Oh Good Ale Thou Art My Darling."

(And before the usual suspects start whining, I know it's not actually a rip-off, but it's interesting the original material wasn't credited. A very quick search reveals the song at least has existed as a recording since the fifties.)

Update! Our crack reporter, elTee, has through diligent research confirmed the song has existed at least since 1859.

16 Comments

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    Vainamoinen on 15 Sep, 2019, 18:04…
    Guybrush's parents are singing a fairly well known spiritual, and they're almost using the correct lyrics too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVoPG9HtYF8

    Am I famous now?
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    ThunderPeel2001 on 14 Sep, 2019, 14:55…
    This is wonderful. I love that it’s a real traditional song, and that people will have sung it in taverns for time immemorial. I guess it should have been credited as “traditional” though. I wonder why it was never mentioned before in interviews. A lovely song and the perfect choice for the game. Amazing we’re still discovering things about it all these years later.
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    Remi on 13 Sep, 2019, 19:36…

    elTee

    Re: Remi's update - I can't read music, so I'm relying on Remi that this is in fact the same tune!



    I'm not going to claim I'm a scholar in the field, but I can at least hum the melody based on the annotation, and it's indeed a variation of the SCUMM Bar theme. Or vice versa as it is.

    What does it all mean, then? Absolutely nothing, but I suppose stuff like this passes the days. ;

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    elTee on 13 Sep, 2019, 19:09…
    Re: Remi's update - I can't read music, so I'm relying on Remi that this is in fact the same tune!
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    Bozeke on 12 Sep, 2019, 01:59…
    Stan's theme is "Go Tell Aunt Rhoady" too:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4vxDJKjoBI
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    Javier Tolstoi on 11 Sep, 2019, 20:17…
    I always found it kindof dissatisfying about the scumm bar theme that it's so simple and unoriginal, but that all makes sense now :D
    I think it really adds to the piratey flavor. Kindof clashes with the monkey-island-piratey flavor that's overall present in the game as the scumm bar theme is an ACTUAL piratey flavor if you know what I mean :D I think that's what confused me when I played the game for the first time.
    All makes sense now, thank you, yes.
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    LechuckMarley on 11 Sep, 2019, 19:52…
    I actually love this. I love that it's a real song.
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    Jason on 11 Sep, 2019, 15:25…
    Michael Land didn't "pirate" the song. The use of traditional music has always been fair game. There are a number of quotations of traditional music in various LEC soundtracks...not to mention the soundtracks of countless other games and films. And probably every other category of "original" music. It would have been nice if the source had been acknowledged, but it's not really a scandal that most of us were oblivious. That said, I wonder if Land creating a truly original (I assume) new SCUMM Bar theme for EMI was motivated by a desire not to outsource again.
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    Nicozilla_FR on 11 Sep, 2019, 08:19…

    Jennifer

    This IS a nice mashup, but that appears to be all that it is.

    It actually looks like The SCUMM Bar theme came first and The Virginia Company merged the Monkey Island tune with the folk tune.

    All of the other videos I've found of "Oh Good Ale My Darling" use a different medley. ie:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAxZu8tIi4Q
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D12-RKe1EgU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRkVQhs5w_s

    If you go to the official YouTube video by The Virginia Company (which is linked in the copyright section of the video embedded in this post), you'll see that the copyright for this version is 1992, which is two years after Monkey Island's release:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49EaPxu_FTo

    So, there be no music piracy here! ARR! (at least not on Michael Land's part ;))



    I'm pretty sure that this one : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAxZu8tIi4Q (you quoted)
    have the same melody than the Virginia Company One (and it is dated from 1916)
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    LechuckMarley on 11 Sep, 2019, 07:26…
    That is some good detective work, well done!

    Jennifer

    This IS a nice mashup, but that appears to be all that it is.

    It actually looks like The SCUMM Bar theme came first and The Virginia Company merged the Monkey Island tune with the folk tune.

    All of the other videos I've found of "Oh Good Ale My Darling" use a different medley. ie:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAxZu8tIi4Q
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D12-RKe1EgU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRkVQhs5w_s

    If you go to the official YouTube video by The Virginia Company (which is linked in the copyright section of the video embedded in this post), you'll see that the copyright for this version is 1992, which is two years after Monkey Island's release:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49EaPxu_FTo

    So, there be no music piracy here! ARR! (at least not on Michael Land's part ;))



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    Jennifer on 11 Sep, 2019, 04:53…
    This IS a nice mashup, but that appears to be all that it is.

    It actually looks like The SCUMM Bar theme came first and The Virginia Company merged the Monkey Island tune with the folk tune.

    All of the other videos I've found of "Oh Good Ale My Darling" use a different medley. ie:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAxZu8tIi4Q
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D12-RKe1EgU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRkVQhs5w_s

    If you go to the official YouTube video by The Virginia Company (which is linked in the copyright section of the video embedded in this post), you'll see that the copyright for this version is 1992, which is two years after Monkey Island's release:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49EaPxu_FTo

    So, there be no music piracy here! ARR! (at least not on Michael Land's part ;))
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    Bloodnose on 11 Sep, 2019, 00:37…

    Kroms

    Goodness me. There's also this German town that served as inspiration for Melee Island. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothenburg_ob_der_Tauber



    Nope. From Ron himself: https://twitter.com/grumpygamer/status/577282909284929536
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    Scummbuddy on 11 Sep, 2019, 00:34…
    That was surprising and actually quite awesome. Great find!
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    LechuckMarley on 10 Sep, 2019, 23:23…

    Rum_Rogers

    For some bizarre reason, this discovery saddens me a little bit.



    I was sad at first too, but then I thought, "That means real pirates might have listened to this tune", and that really tickles my fancy.
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    Rum_Rogers on 10 Sep, 2019, 20:13…
    For some bizarre reason, this discovery saddens me a little bit.
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    Kroms on 10 Sep, 2019, 14:13…
    Goodness me. There's also this German town that served as inspiration for Melee Island. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothenburg_ob_der_Tauber

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