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Dig Writer Attacks Clones 15 Jul, 2002, 06:43 / 37 comments

Orson Scott Card, probably best known to you guys as the dialogue writer for the LucasArts graphic adventure The Dig, has gone on record to say that he hated Attack of the Clones. Mr. Card writes a weekly review column for The Rhinoceros Times, and in his July edition, he discusses the difference between Men in Black II and Episode II. Here's a quote:
... Attack of the Clones is a wretched waste of time and money - the filmmakers' and ours - while MIIB pays off exactly as well as it should. And it doesn't try to give us a bogus religion in the process.

Why the difference? MIIB has a good script and a director who knows how to get the best out of his actors."
Hear that? That's the sound of Orson Scott Card being blacklisted from all future Lucas projects! Just kidding... ?

Comments

  • Wossname on 15 Jul, 2002, 17:56…
    I like the comment about a bogus religion coming from a guy whose every second book is a barely disguised infomercial for mormonism.

    I mean the guy's entitled if that's what he wants to write about (Hell, I enjoy his other non-preachy books), but it makes his comments sound more like religious outrage than objective criticism.
  • SonGoku on 15 Jul, 2002, 14:52…
    You think the turtle puzzle was bad?!? Use strange green gem with dead german guy. Of course!
  • twifkak on 16 Jul, 2002, 06:39…
    Yeah, seriously. It's not like they gave instruction for that in the museum or anything.

    ...
  • Sopabuena on 15 Jul, 2002, 14:40…
    Shut up! The Dig rules and so does Mr. Card.
  • Unno on 15 Jul, 2002, 13:42…
    I'm not meaning to bash someone just because I disagree with him, but Orson Scott Card should keep quite about things he knows nothing about. He's a sci-fi author. He also a perfect example of the problems with most sci-fi authors. He has great ideas and, at times, wonderful characters. But in terms of the actual writing, in the way one word follows another...Well, let's just say I wouldn't hire him to write a piece of American Express junk mail.

    Did anyone read Alan Dean Foster's novel version of The Dig. It beat the crap out of the game, because he knows how to write.

    For someone of Card's ability to bash Ep. II, and then go futher to say that MIB2 had a good script (Extremely shallow characters, boring plot, etc.) just shows his ignorance. MIB2's scribe is just like Card. He had some good ideas, but his implementation was horrible.
  • RaptorII on 23 Jul, 2002, 16:00…
    Damn right it did! The book ruled.

    Look, I like the game and all, but really, the dialogue wasn't great, or good. It was, ok. At times it was bad. Most scenes in StarWars are better without dialogue, seriously, watching Episode 1 with commentary on was much more enjoyable than with it off. (ANIKIN IS WORSE THAN JARJAR!!)

    In all actuality, I haven't seen MIB2, so I can't really comment on that, but I haven't exactly heard good things from people about it.

    Anyway, I just don't think the guy has much room to talk. I personally would probably listen to him more if he HADN'T written the dialogue for The Dig. Oh well.
  • scabb on 16 Jul, 2002, 15:52…
    He should just keep quiet?
    Why?
    Because he has a different opinion to you?
  • Unno on 17 Jul, 2002, 16:16…
    If you would have glanced over the actual text of my post you would have seen that the reason he should be quiet is very clearly stated. He should be quite because he doesn't know what he's talking about. I hate sounding high and mighty, but I do have a master's in English (soon to be a doctorate), and I think I know a little bit about writing.
  • QueZTone on 15 Jul, 2002, 11:40…
    wait..i know what. I want to see him humiliated, let's have a mojo front page poll about whether we share his point of view or whether we should throw him in a dungeon with teh Rancor.
  • scabb on 15 Jul, 2002, 12:01…
    Why? Because he didn't like 'Attack of the Clones'? I agree with the man when he says it's not beautifully scripted, but I also agree that the Star Wars films do not focus on dialogue and story as much as they focus on special effects and music because they don't need to. Attack of the Clones was quite good I suppose, but by no means great.

    Everyone has their right to an opinion.
  • Scummbuddy on 15 Jul, 2002, 14:06…
    Quit picking at Scabb. just kidding. i agree with Scabb.
  • QueZTone on 15 Jul, 2002, 14:22…
    what could be better dialogue than "Luke, I am your father!"

    or "..and May the Force be with You!"

    ugh..
  • Vesh on 18 Jul, 2002, 02:57…
    I dunno, I thought, "I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate!" was pretty good. =]

    Honestly, though, every last human being has a right to express thier opinion openly as long as it doesn't come to - yunno - gunshots, housebombs, or most physical attacks.

    Barfights, though... are perfectly fine. =P

    I've read (and written) a whole lot of scifi (Philip K. Dick is my own personal godThing), but I've never read any Card - have Homecoming Earth in the hallway, but I've never even cracked the cover - so I cant offer any opinions on his writing style. I can, however, offer an opinion on Ep2. A slight disappointment, but a fine movie anyway. No masterpiece of the spoken word (the dialogue *was* better than Lucas's, but still a lot weaker than I hoped), but still enjoyable.

    Sadly, I dont think either movie is worth this kind of dissection, though. Ep2 is supposed to further a story - it did just that. MIB2 is supposed to be fun - it was.

    Card made his points, and sadly - to us lucasarts fans - they're valid.

    I do have to disclaim myself a bit, though, I'm a huge fan of Lucasarts, but not the man himself. I'm a fan of those with extreme talent he surrounds himself with and his ability to wrangle it all. It might be considered blasphemy around here to say such a thing, but contact me (calmly) and I'll explain why. This reply's already 10 times longer than it should be. =] [edit: Dang late nights! Makin me out words here and.]
  • QueZTone on 15 Jul, 2002, 11:39…
    MiB1 & MiB2 were the lamest movies ever. I haven't even seen MiB2 but MiB1 was so lame. The only funny part was with the waiting room with that weird chair or something. But I've seen this will smith music clip and that dog.... really Timmy should knock him out. That's lowest form of humour that is. What the hell is funny about a talking dog?

    "and gives a bogus religion along with it" omg... he TRIED to be a starwarsie and saw it wasn't his thing. Well I have news for him, you dont have to be a complete starwars geek who takes jedi lifestyle as a whole religion to enjoy these SW trilogies...

    Over 10 years Mr. Card talks about MiB with his grandson, ahh I tell you MiB was so nice, so funny. Grandson: "Hmm, MiB, is that a counter-strike (v4.6) name? They're such n00bs!"

    You know what I think? I think Mr.Card was sacked by a Lucas office he was working and felt like a little kid who wanted revenge because he was angry because at Lucas. Well me tell you something Scottey boy..
    "Anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering." You won't get such value from MiB movies..
  • scabb on 15 Jul, 2002, 12:02…
    Men In Black was fun. And a talking dog IS funny, well, when he says the right things anyway.

    And the news posting seems to indicate that Orsen is still working for the company.
  • QueZTone on 15 Jul, 2002, 14:23…
    in that case i pleade (?) for a poll that asks whether the man SHOULD be sacked or not..
  • scabb on 16 Jul, 2002, 15:49…
    It's just a movie.
  • The_last_great_adventurer on 15 Jul, 2002, 11:30…
    Orson Scott Card?... didn't he write Ender's Game? The best Sci/Fi story ever writen? imo.
  • Scummbuddy on 15 Jul, 2002, 10:00…
    yea...What Men In Black did he see? The movie felt rushed, and not only to be made, but the story line just went from one thing to the next. Nothing ever was calm. We just had to except everything. The guy wasn't denueralized, but he remembered things that Will didn't. yea Ok. and the 80 minutes thing. What was he thinking. I left feeling like, If Only they gave the script to me first before shooting....The only thing that saved the movie was the cute little Computer Animated Movie at the beginning, which wasn't better than the C.A.M. with the birds on a wire from PIXAR, but it was good. Haven't played the DIG, but I want to.
  • scabb on 15 Jul, 2002, 09:58…
    <--Possible Spoilers-->

    Men In Black 2 Creators/Scriptwrites etc

    "So, what should we have in the sequel?"

    "I know, lets just do EXACTLY the same as Men In Black did, only we'll have more of that cute little talking dog"

    "Oh yeah! And the cute aliens that make coffee!"

    "What about the main plot"

    "Hmm, how about there's a thingy on earth that will destroy earth, and some bad-ass alien-type needs it so he can..um..destroy earth."

    "Yeah, that hasn't been done before, has it"

    "Okay. Oh, yeah, we have to put that cute little dog in"

    "Put him in a suit!"

    "Yeah! And I want more flashy thinging to be done too"

    ** 20 minutes later **

    "Finished"
  • spaff on 15 Jul, 2002, 09:40…
    hes got a point tho... episode 2 is a waste of time and money...

    still... impossible bone puzzles suck more.
  • Jake on 15 Jul, 2002, 10:17…
  • matt on 17 Jul, 2002, 09:06…
    it took some hours to do it ... but it was possible - really nice banners!
  • twifkak on 15 Jul, 2002, 10:50…
    Seriously. It was sooo easy. Umm, is Mojo a massively multiplayer game? I guess it is... I'll check "only one."
  • Jake on 15 Jul, 2002, 10:17…
    Oops. I am the master of the triple post! Luckily there is the Edit button. Now it can look like I was talking about a bunch of different things!
  • Jake on 15 Jul, 2002, 10:16…
    To be honest, I really thought The Dig was pretty cool when I played it through. The story pacing is a little jerky, but I liked that it was paced more like Myst or something (big opening, lots of mysterious wandering, big finale). Still not as entertaining as many others, of course.
  • ZeroXcape on 15 Jul, 2002, 09:14…
    stupid dinosaur turtle puzzle
  • scabb on 15 Jul, 2002, 09:52…
    pissed me off.
  • Jake on 15 Jul, 2002, 09:01…
    I want to see this "good" MIB II that he talks about. The one I saw was just a big piece of it, probably left behind by that goddamn talking dog.
  • The_Petrified_Monkey on 15 Jul, 2002, 09:32…
    80 minutes long, I believe.

    There is no excuse for making a film that short, only if it's gold dust...

    Disney animations I can let off, take The Emperor's New Groove, for example. 75 mins of hilarious fun. Best one since Aladdin, in my opinion.

    Okay, so Episode 2 wasn't everyone's cup of tea but it wasn't exactly horrific. None of the Star Wars films are horrific, but then again, none of them are superb. Visually, maybe, but they would never be in my Top 10.

    That would be reserved for films such as Citizen Kane and other excellent films. Possibly Empire may sneak in but I think this is blown all out of proportion.

    Instead of comparing the Star Wars films to each other, as we presume they will all blend together fairly well, compare them to other pieces of cinema out there. That will put them in context, not some farty sci-fi writer who's dialogue in the Dig was pretty dull and uninspiring to say the least...

    I'm sounding like a raving lunatic here! LOL :-)
  • scabb on 15 Jul, 2002, 09:51…
    I agree, with the raving lunatic!

    On the following points, anyway:

    * Aladdin does rule supr3m3. The soundtrack rules.
    * Star Wars is nothing special
    * The Dig was DULL
  • The_Petrified_Monkey on 15 Jul, 2002, 10:10…
    What I mean't by the Star Wars films not being superb was on a cinemtic and narrative level.

    I enjoy all the films immensely and people cannot deny the impact they have had on cinema in general.

    But, I reiterate that there ARE greater examples of cinema out there and many people compiling polls of films are so blinded by them that they miss out on classic films, and other films which they may not even consider seeing as they are in a foreign language...

    The cinema-goers are fickle. And example being of how well the Matrix did...
  • The_Petrified_Monkey on 15 Jul, 2002, 10:05…
    Star Wars is special if only for the excellent soundtracks - all credit to John Williams where it's due - ,the visualisations which spurned on Hollywood to do greater things (note: Since Empire, the Star Wars films have been independent cinema) and escapism, in terms of creating a totally different environment...
  • Harison Zakari on 15 Jul, 2002, 07:56…
    I will never again play The Dig.
  • The_Petrified_Monkey on 15 Jul, 2002, 07:56…
    Grrrr... like the Dig was brilliant...

    Well, okay, so the Dig was QUITE good but I wouldn't put it in my Top 10 Luccie adventure games...

    And I really liked Episode 2. It wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. Overly action based, yes, BUT good action, nonetheless.

    I can sleep easy after seeing Yoda kick ass...

    Don't you just HATE critics...? :-)
  • telarium on 15 Jul, 2002, 08:57…
    I won't defend Episode II, but I must say... in my opinion, The Dig has some of the worst dialogue ever in a LucasArts graphic adventure. Then again, some people think this guy wrote one of the best sci-fi novels ever. But yikes, some of that dialogue was horrible.
  • The_Petrified_Monkey on 15 Jul, 2002, 08:02…
    How can he even COMPARE Star Wars to Men In Black...?

    God damn him!! Star Wars isn't about excellent dialogue and superbly indepth story lines. It's about stunning visuals, neat storyline concepts and epic music scores. As Lucas once said himself, he sees the Star Wars saga as a group of silent movies.

    Maybe that's just an excuse for the poor dialogue in all the films but he is definitely an expert director and visionary, not necessarily the greatest screenwriter in the world...

    Gawd, I never thought I'd get this defensive but DAMN HIM!!! LOL :-)